L, I am so pleased that you are finding the thread helpful - so am I - the different view points, and my thinking through my own journey to date are very helpful.

I am less sure that they have bought their ticket - I think they go through a period of conflict, and some go into MLC and others stay and work it out.

My h said lots of things that retrospectively make some sense, but if I am honest, none of them gave any indication that he really wanted out of the marriage. And you know, six years on he is still crazy, not very happy, but sure [to anyone who will listen] that he made the right choices.