I don't have any children, so I can't imagine how tough it must be for all three of you to have your S in the middle of all this. I also know how much it hurts to get the false hope and then have it dashed. I'm so sorry that you are having to deal with this. I too wish there was a simple solution, but there is not. It takes time and it takes you saying that you will not give up on your marriage, no matter what your spouse says. The relationship is not truly over until you say it is. You have the power to determine that. I know it doesn't feel like it, but you do. I get discouraged all the time, and I know that you do to, but stay in the battle and don't give up. At least until you are ready. The first time my wife left I had started to even date agvain and she came back. Sometimes I think that might have been the problem. I started to move on and was drawn back in. Now, i'd give anything to have another chance, and I'm not ready to give up. have a great day and keep up the good work CO1978!