I've never been able to find them, Abbey, and unfortunately -- after years of posting here -- I've never personally seen that method work. It is a VERY rare bird, indeed, who can withstand that kind of emotional abuse and keep a smile on their face.

Not saying it's impossible; just saying I've never personally seen it work, nor does it strike me even as within the mainstream of the DB catechism.

Starsky


M57 W 57; D30 D28 S24 S20 GD7 GD2 GD1 GD5m GD1m
BD 5/07; W's affair 5/07-8/07

At the end of every hard-earned day, people gotta find some reason to believe. (Bruce Springsteen)