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Realizing the most difficult part of this journey is before me. I'll need to face some things that I've been avoiding in myself.


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MZ...

eppp!

Waiting until you got to piecing...my first thought is that you're doing this for him...and

that's not good.

You should have faced those things for you.

Make sure you're doing it for the right reason, those demons are hard enough to face, adding the wrong reason for facing them? Makes a difficult task, almost impossible. (please note: I wrote: almost)

Avoidance will not suit you well in piecing either. Piecing is hard because now you get to find the right way for your corncerns to be addressed as well as listening to and adjusting to his.



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Ya know Jack.....I just feel numb and stuck....It's like I'm at the stop sign and don't know how to move forward, which way to turn.

What does "eppp!" mean?


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...the noise you make when you see a mouse.

Or the noise a person makes when they aren't sure they should say something. : )

I suppose eeeek could work.



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Originally Posted By: Jack_Three_Beans
...my first thought is that you're doing this for him...and

that's not good.

You should have faced those things for you.




J3B....I'm not sure where you are coming from with this or what makes to think that.

I'm curiuous...


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Bottom line, the A was a wake-up call for changes that needed to be made. Random/free associated thoughts...

If my M is to stay on the piecing path and grow healthier, there are issues we both must face about ourselves.
For starters-

We need to level the power field.

I need to let him him and be trusting of intimacy and it won't hurt me. No more arm's-length.

He needs to stop assuming I'm against him or telling him what to do when I speak my thoughts out loud.


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Where I was coming from MZ:

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Realizing the most difficult part of this journey is before me. I'll need to face some things that I've been avoiding in myself.


If you and your husband are indeed piecing, or just starting too, or you are even thinking you are and now is the time you start facing your demons, or making changes....its going to make piecing that much harder.

Some changes? Some that involve him, you had to wait for. Other's internal? Not so much.

You want some help in piecing? Its free and easy.

My wife needs to have more sex with me. And not get upset when I play video games.



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Need...its a funny word.

Why does my wife NEED to do that?

How is that different than:

Quote:

He needs to stop assuming I'm against him or telling him what to do when I speak my thoughts out loud.


Maybe you both should work on meeting these wants. When you do speak your thoughts outloud? Let him know what your doing. OR... try not to do it so much.

If it is a button, or something that bugs him, he should just...toughen up? Get used to it? Shouldn't you someone who loves him try to assuage him?

My wife has this habit of speaking aloud also.

"Who left the cabinet door open?"

Well its 11 oclock at night and our boys are asleep. It could have been them. But more than likely it was me. But you know what? It could have been her.

Guys most guys like direct.

"Did you leave the cabinet door open?"

"Yes...I am sorry."

Instead:

"Who left the cabinet door open?"

Now its a game that I don't like playing.



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J3B,

Funny you focus in on the word "need" in my last post. I was thinking I should change it because I had an inclination you would focus in on that. ;-)


ANYWAY.....

H and I had that exact same convo this AM. RE:

"When you do speak your thoughts
outloud? Let him know what your doing.
OR... try not to do it so much."

If it is a button, or something that
bugs him, he should just...toughen up? Get
used to it? Shouldn't you [or] someone who
loves him try to assuage him?"


It's deeper than that. Example: We are away, we need (oh that word again ;-) ) to print our boarding passes. We tried unsuccessfully yesterday. We have the IT guy from H's co here and yesterday he said he could do it, but we didn't know if he had. We tried unsuccessfully again today. We became worried, wondered what the problem might be. H said maybe IT guy did it already. So I say in support of that, "OK, we'll check with IT before we do anything else." ...H looks at me, mocks me in a disdaining tone, "Oh, OK, we'll check with IT." So of course (since this is a project in our M) I point out what just happened between us and ask H, what happened for him in that exchange and his response? "You're telling me what to do."
I explain that my intention was to reiterate OUR plan of action.
This happens ALL THE TIME Jack. So after breakfast I asked him about it and he volunteered that maybe he "should just let it go" when I say things out loud. I know that if he does that, it will lead to resentment on his part.

History~ H has held the belief that I blamed him for a crappy room on our honeymoon......for 21 YEARS! Just found that out last year during MC. I had no idea. Resentment is a key ingredient in addictions and addiction is the best model I've come across to look at A's. You do something that feels good, you know it isn't good for you, may/will ruin your family/friends, but you do it anyway because, damn, you've been wronged. That's the nutshell version.


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The realization of "some things" I need to change.....semantics get in the way.

I do need to ( don't want to) face the abandonment in my childhood (that's "some thing")which lead to my holding my H at emotional arm's length like his mother did.


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When you say: "We'll check with the IT Guy"

Who is the we, it doesn't take two of you to make that call...so which one of you is the WE?

I know who the 'we' is when my wife say's "We need..." and I always want to say: "Is there a mouse in your pocket? How did you become a we?"

And since this is all about communication : )

In your example...he did not actually say (your words from above) to check with the IT guy, all he said was that maybe the IT guy already did it.


and I can SEE how that could happen all the time.



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Life is usually all about how you handle Plan B. - Jack3Beans

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