25yearsmlc, I apologize for the irritated tone in a previous reply. It's not the first time I've been frustrated trying to convey my situation to well-meaning people giving me advice. In particular, I'm referring to your comment:
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Is it that you think pleasing YOUR w, is just too much work, compared to just having her put out w/no sexual return,
About ten years ago, I had a lengthy conversation with a woman about ten years older than me who had had a long and good marriage, where neither partner ever turned down the other for sex without giving a "rain check", and that happened only a few (!) times in the whole marriage. Condensing the dialog quite a bit.... I told her about the difficulties in my marriage, and she suggested that a woman needs more foreplay, etc. I explained that my wife won't let me. And so she suggested that I need to set the mood and take her out and do things. And I had to explain, no that has never put her in the mood for foreplay. She still didn't quite seem to get the picture until I explained that even when she had had a good time, and we had spent the whole day together on a vacation, and she was flirty and wanted to make love, and we were about to have intercourse -- even then she never permitted me to touch her breasts or anywhere near her genitals.
At which point the elderly woman seemed somewhat shocked and said, "Oh, I see, you really do have a problem."
