Barb, when I started dating Voldemort, she wouldn't let me touch her for a month! No goodnight kiss, no hand holding etc. So there is credence to being aware of a culture's dating traditions and mannerisms. My culture would tell me that she had no interest, walk away but that wasn't the case. MM portrayed things that reflected that same kind of mentality but I had to choose to either respect the pace, the play hard to get game, or reject it. She was giving me enough positives that I felt it was worth staying and giving it a try. If you like the woman you give it a chance. When there was no time being made I decided that regardless of what the issue might be it was not meeting my needs. That's why I was stunned to hear what I heard. Honestly, I was taken completely unaware. It was like walking into Loblaws and hearing "Welcome to Walmart". Tomorrow I'm going to see my therapist and maybe we can start looking at what lessons I need to learn from this. I said to MM yesterday "I'm going to bed, this is just too weird for me" and she replied "not for me" Where to you go with that? I went to bed.