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~ kd ~ #2186843 09/16/11 04:07 PM
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I want her to own her part in this. The burden of filing should rest on her shoulders, not mine.


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M(#2 for both) 9 1/2 yrs.
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Telemark #2186848 09/16/11 04:23 PM
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Surely she would be more clever than to bring OM to your house to get the dog. I am sorry you are still having to deal with this crap. But just think her crap is just starting, living with all those people is going to get old fast.

I feel the same way about a D. I will not file. H wanted this let him do the work.

paige40 #2186861 09/16/11 04:56 PM
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paige40, I would not put anything past her at this point. I did send her an e-mail yesterday asking that she not bring OM anywhere near or into my house. She agreed, so hopefully that is put to bed.

I don't know what is going to happen under the big top at her house. It's her problem now.

Another reason I want my W to do the filing...if I file as the plaintiff against her as the defendant, it will be one more way she can play victim (although PA is no-fault status). I do not want to give her another reason to tell the world what a big meanie I was.


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D27,S21
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SS22 Severely autistic
M(#2 for both) 9 1/2 yrs.
"I've never loved you" 3/7/2011
Separated 8/7/2011
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paige40 #2186863 09/16/11 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Telemark

Now, I'm sure somebody will 2x4 me for asking about the D.

No lumber from me my friend. You just asked a question and wanted an answer.

Originally Posted By: Telemark

I want her to own her part in this. The burden of filing should rest on her shoulders, not mine.

I totally support this.

I'm as guilty of mind reading as anyone else, even when I try not to, but your W is probably not rushing this because she's not so sure about it. What about the scant possibility the OM IS just a friend? crazy laugh Looking two months down the road and with your W holding the circus crazy, they'll be lucky toeven be friends at that point. IMO it sounds like a total recipe for disaster.


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Bomb#1: 5/8/2008
MC: 5/2008 - 4/2010
Bomb#2: 2/10/2011
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jbnati #2186870 09/16/11 05:31 PM
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"but your W is probably not rushing this because she's not so sure about it. What about the scant possibility the OM IS just a friend?"

I've thought about this possibility endlessly, and I come to the same conclusions:

a. She's sure about it, just doesn't want to do the hard work.

b. How many friends pack up and move 1700 miles to live with their mother, their friend and her special-needs son and a neurotic dog in a condo in the middle of nowhere (believe me, it is out in the cornfields)? This guy is moving from Colorado Springs to rural PA. If it was me, I'd say just give me the rope and the stepstool, please.


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D27,S21
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SS22 Severely autistic
M(#2 for both) 9 1/2 yrs.
"I've never loved you" 3/7/2011
Separated 8/7/2011
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Telemark #2186873 09/16/11 05:37 PM
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Telemark - there was reason I gave you a crazy crazy smiley and laugh laugh smiley after that question. smirk


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MC: 5/2008 - 4/2010
Bomb#2: 2/10/2011
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jbnati #2186874 09/16/11 05:41 PM
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I caught that...I'm trying to give my W the benefit of the doubt sometimes.

It is still hard for me to process the idea that she is so committed to someone else.


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M(#2 for both) 9 1/2 yrs.
"I've never loved you" 3/7/2011
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Who knows what her reason is for not "rushing it"... It could be anything from cash flow problems to her just not being 100% sure. Whatever it is, I'm proud of you for continuing to be a gentleman throughout this nightmare. I hope you have a great weekend. Thinking of you! lc4


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Thanks, lc4. It's been difficult to maintain composure at times, but I don't want to go back to the "angry man" that contributed to this mess.

"You've got mail!"


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Journaling & goofing off...

I was just surfing around on this forum - hey, it's Friday afternoon, you don't think I'm actually going to work on something productive, do you? - and found a great post by AloneAt35. This jumped out at me:

"Truth is, two broken people can never fix each other."


My W and I were two broken people when we met each other. We screwed up our first marriages, thought we could "fix" each other, paid no attention to the mess we left behind us or the red flags waving in front of us and went skipping down the lane tra-la-la. After only two years we were in counseling. After only three sessions we decided we were fine.

We were not fine.

Last night, lying in bed, I thought about the last seven months, the last few years, the last ten years. What a mess we made of things.

Again.

But I think there is a difference this time. I have looked inside myself to find the garbage in there and to try to get rid of it. I have discovered traits and habits and behaviors and attitudes that have been almost horrifying to find. I have thought that if I was married to the old me, I'd leave me, too. It's been very sobering. And empowering. Because I've finally faced all of that crap and decided to do something about it.

Another member made a post earlier in this thread that was deleted...it was pretty harsh, but it also had truth in it. So I read his other posts. I cannot decide if he is really angry, really passionate, really sarcastic or just a troll. But he had one post that struck a nerve. To paraphrase:

We spend years hurting our spouses, whether we are aware of it or not. They spend years taking it, sometimes fighting back but most times not. This goes on until they can take no more, and that is when they announce, "Enough. Goodbye." Or find comfort in someone else. Or both. And we, the LBS's, get the wake-up call and suddenly begin to try to reverse everything. We do 180s, work on ourselves, make these big changes and then get upset when our spouses do not simply embrace the new, improved versions of us when we think they should. So we wave our new selves in front of them even harder and say, "See? See? I'm all better. you should be, too."

But they are not. Years of marital strife have made deep wounds, too deep to be healed with our band-aids. We wait for the healing to be complete. Some of us have the strength and patience to wait until the wounds are healed, but I think most of us do not. So we give up, or they run away from us as fast as they can.

Did they contribute to this? Most certainly yes; either by matching anger with anger or withdrawing so that we had no idea what was going on inside them. Neither way helped solve the problems.

I did not get my wake-up call in time to save my marriage. We could not fix ourselves, let alone each other. Two broken people. But the awareness of my own faults, and insecurities, and destructive behaviors allows me to heal my own wounds. I am learning how to fix me. It is a full-time job plus overtime, but eventually I hope I will be healed enough to enjoy my own company and perhaps share it with someone who doesn't need to fix or be fixed.


H 56
W 48
D27,S21
SS25
SS22 Severely autistic
M(#2 for both) 9 1/2 yrs.
"I've never loved you" 3/7/2011
Separated 8/7/2011
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