And off onto a COMPLETELY different topic. I wanted to post on CHL's thread, but it is locked. First of all, I didn't much care for being lumped in as a bunch of "angry, bitter women". That is like if I object to blatant sexual harrassment so I am called a feminazi. Frankly, I don't think it is even a gender issue. If Ceb guy has issues about women--that's for him to deal with--not my problem.

Secondly, sometimes the most helpful and supportive thing you can do for anyone is to call BS on BS. I have been pretty hard on a few people here who got caught up in rationalization and denial. I certainly would expect a room full of 2x4's if you guys see me going into that mode!

I do understand that morals also aren't a "one-size-fits-all" thing, but to me, rationalizations and justifications are for when people KNOW they are doing something wrong and are trying convice self-and others that they are not.

I would have liked to have had the opportunity to have had a discussion about "fuzzy morals". I do not understand the concept of "not-really-committing adultry-because I wasn't married in my head at the time".

So does that mean that if I go cheat on my mate tonight, but tell him he has no right to react because I was temporarily "divorced from him in my mind at the time"? That kind of thinking is along the same lines as Bill Clinton denying that he had sex with Monica Lewinsky because in his mind he had rationized that oral sex wasn't really sex.

So oral sex isn't sex and adultry isn't adultry if you are "divorced in your mind at the time".

We did happen to be talking about infidelity at the time, and infidelity is a big issue. Heck, it even shows up in the bible as one of the 10 basic rules, right? And let's not forget that in some cultures, if anyone of us women were suspected of cheating, our husbands could have us subject to female castration or evan an honor killing.

When it comes to rationalizations, though---it could be about any subject really. You can even take any other form of justification and twist it around to suit your needs at any given time. At what point does an adult stand up and have integrity, though?

I'm not saying that we all have to have the same values, but I do have to wonder about the philosphy that nothing is ever right and wrong--it's only about "where your head is at-at the time" or "I was finding myself and it felt good at the time". Ya know, I don't care if folks are whatever color, whatever religion, straight, gay, dem or republican...if you don't have integrity--what do you really have?

Just had to vent a little and couldn't do it on CHL's thread. Actually, from what I'm seeing there lately--I probably should keep out of there. I like CHL, but don't like some of the things he's doing. I said what I thought, straight up and without being malicious, and he can take or leave it.