Thank you for your advise both 25yearsmlc amd MrBond. 25yearmlc-how do I go about getting him to give me very specific terms when he does not even know himself. Its like he is in limbo until we leave here because of his feelings for OW. I am not a doormat. I was when I did not know what was going on. I was confused and acted insecure. Since finding out I have been working on me and getting myself back on track. I feel stronger and more self confident with me but less with him. Its like finally knowing and not being confused by his alien behavior has lifted one burdon but dumped a great deal of pain on me instead. Since he will not go to C, I have to figure out a way to get through to him on my own. I have to get him to realize his role in this and his responsiblity without the blaming. I just need the tools.