Thanks for the advise. From all the info I've read I realized right after this started that she and I are somewhat in reversed roles. I have not picked up a book or read an article yet that said the woman was the one that didn't want to talk about her feelings. In our R it's this way, but in her defense she says she has never felt she could talk to me. And to keep with what I'm saying, I openly and easily can tell you how I feel and I'm not at all bashful a out it. At one time I think we did have a very real closeness or connection, but as a typical man, I don't really know where it went, and didn't realize it was gone until almost if not to late. I have another DB coaching appt tomorrow and I need it. I need a 2 or 3 hour one I think. This has been very difficult as any of you know, but being non typical has not helped. Thanks for all of you on here. I'm so thankful for all of you will to share your experiences. It feels good to know I'm not the only on who loves my spouse enough to work or suffer through this to better ourselves and our marriages