also I'd like to add that before she left I was not involed very much with my kids activitys.as of now I have devoted 100% of my time away from work to be with my kids.she has custody M-f but she is allowing me to pick them up everyday for sports and then I have them all weekend. there's no mystery in what I'm doing everyday and night. I'm almost to the point of giving up, I feel like I'm self inflicting pain and it's eating me alive. I love my wife and kids very much but it would be much easier if I just went away. I have educated myself on the situation though books and this web site and also DB counceling and feel that it's realy up to her at this point and there's not much I can say or do. At some point I must go on with my life and that's pretty hard to do when I see and interact with her daily. it's not much different then being married.