Believe me, I have been there and got the t shirt and film rights. I think we have to let go, if they do this recyling as so many do. For our own sakes. As you say, we get it together and then up they pop again.

I dropped the rope and closed the door. It isn't necessarily 'forever' but it has to be unless and until they sort themselves out. We cannot heal with these people dropping in and out of our lives on a whim.

The MLCer takes a long long time to finish with OW.

You are a strong lady, and will make it either way. We have to step away from abuse to see it for what it is, and recover. As long as we go on giving them 'chances' nothng will change. Your h has to change, and only he can do that. Do you really want to continue in some sort of emotional tug of war?