I think I need to expand on a few things.


1. I am not giving up in any way shape or form. I intend to fight as hard as I can - harder.

2. When she said "I don't love" I didn't really believe it either, but it was very tough to hear.

3. I can be very patient in other areas of my life. For example. I wanted to start having kids way earlier than my wife but I knew she wasn't ready so I waited until she was and didn't really pressure her. I know I have it in me.

4. I need to take a break from here because I find myself comparing to other people's situations too much.

5. FMV - the ultimatum to me was this. I can't talk to her about being impatient for a long time, if ever. If I do, that will drive her away. I told her, "I'm not going to make any promises. Those are just words. I can only show you."

6. There is something behind the impatience. I need to figure it out.

JTB. I didn't think you were a naive cheerleader at all.


Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
--Jean Jacques Rousseau.