Alamo I speak from experience. I have never had one good result by bringing up our D2 as an excuse to work on us. My W would usually just say "she'll be fine" or "so am I just supposed to live unhappy then." I have learned to adamantly avoid it. However, I did slip up when my W was over and asked me about a joint filing. One of the reasons I told her I wouldn't do it was bc it isn't the life I want for our D2. Like I stated before, my W told me that night that she was going to email some info on a joint filing. I agreed that I would read it. Knock on wood, I haven't received it yet. Maybe that's bc she knows I'm not going to do a joint filing or it could be the fact that she is still unsure. I pray for the second one. I sometimes wonder if she wants to do a joint bc it will ease the guilt if I am filing too. My heart has been stomped on and crushed by her A and actions. However, I still feel we can make it work with time. I can't foresee a scenario were I will joint file, but never underestimate the WAW....