Sandi2 I agree with what your saying. She is having her cake and eating it too. What to do next is a hard one though. I can't be a jag on the phone to her, who would want to come back to that person. However, I can't just be a happy-go-lucky guy who on the phone either. I know my W sees right through that as just me being desperate to fix our M. The OM is definently getting the best of her right now. I'm sure she has told him all the ways I have done her wrong and that dink is agreeing with her and saying "how could anyone do that to you, I never would." In our convos I try to relate to what she is talking about and never cut her off. I used to do that and she said how much she hates it. I know I should end the convo myself to not show neediness, but I find this hard bc I feels so good just to talk to her. Gotta work on that.