I will do a little better with the responses to you, rys and Forrest tomorrow or Monday. I'm not feeling very well, and I posted to you and FOBD because they felt urgent to me.

I do want to say to you and rys-- You both have been at this a long time, you are both very intelligent and you really do know what to do, it's just doing it. And it is never a done deal. Even for successes, as Forrest and I both show, and lots of the successes who are real honest about their journeys. People are messy, relationships are messy. People screw up, it's what they do best. And it often doesn't feel fair that we are the ones trying to save it. That's why the 'hard line' type advice is so popular---because 'sometimes' it's the right thing, it's just not good onesizefits all, or first line of defense advice.

I'm babbling. I'll respond to your personal situations tomorrow or Monday.


sg
Love is PATIENT, love is KIND, LOVE never fails / DB since 2001