thanks so much for your support, i have been a mess but i now at least calm...i have IC on thursday and i'm really glad my doctor sorted this out really quickly as i really need someone to talk to well vent at. what everyone does for each other on this site s amazing and you touch so many, your words are wise and true and your advise speaks volumes, its funny you know were we come from as some f not all are still going through it bet yet you are strong. thank you for taking the time to help me, you are very much appreciatted. :0)