just an update, ex hasn't spoke or seen son again for six months, then hey presto the mail man drops off a christmas card from him containing a gift voucher and a book, albeit the book is an annual book that ex always used to buy son when he was younger, he obviously hasnt realised that son is now sixteen and this book no longer appeals to him. also a card arrived at his old aunts wrote by his wife not by him. son wishes to send him a card back, so we will see, not holding any hope out, im done with the sitch, it is strictly between son and ex now, merry christmas and fantastic new year to all by friends and listeners on the board, love you all, have a lovely holiday xxxxxxxxxxxx