Hi you GAG, have a little time to reply to your last post. As always great points and advice, thank you smile

I'm realizing that no matter what I say and how I react to H these days, I'll always be wrong...no win for sure...frustrating. I tried to be so careful and calm and reasonable and polite at our SA meeting and got statements like "you think that if you are nice to me I'll just do what you want", "you are such an actress" "you pretend to care" like he doesn't want to believe that after all that he has done I could genuinely still care for him and be friendly.

So far I'm dealing with him about the SA...we will see if I can continue...I would like to, would be less expensive then having the lawyers handle it....if he wants the bloody company he can have it...he will kill it anyway if he continues on the same path.

There is no doubt in my mind that H's depression is getting worse...I wonder if he is able to hide it from OW.

GAG, It felt natural to give him the hug and plant the kiss on him...we would do that up until the last false R back in May...then we stopped....so I took the initiative to start that again...he certainly seemed receptive....it's also showing him that I'm not angry with him and I don't hate him....basically a peace offering. BTW it wasn't a french kiss just a peck on the cheek, not sure if H would consider that flirting...but physical contact nevertheless.

That was a thought provoking story about your chronically depressed patient...I really think that H would benefit from visiting a psychiatrist for a full assessment...but that's out of my hands...as you said he has to hit bottom, before he will seek help.
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From out here in "virtual land" it feels like your H is teetering on edge of changing in some significant way. Not sure if others are getting this sense too???? I think CW is right about this.

That's encouraging that you see that...all I see is his deepening depression and internal turmoil and his determination to push forward with the SA and to continue with OW...I guess I'm way to close to this to be able to see what you see.

Thank you again GAG smile


M53 H54 D17
M33Y T38Y
Bomb OW 09/09
OUT 10/09 BACK 11/09 OUT 01/10
WANTS TO R 04/10 BACK with OW 05/10
Wants to Reconcile 05/11 I said NO