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Originally Posted By: WS
We subconsciously just adapted to the way they were treating us and tried to keep them happy. We made excuses for them and did our own rationalization of their behavior. That is what a supporting spouse does. Now, looking back? Wholly CHIT!

I get what you are saying. My sitch is slightly different, well reversed really. My H tried to keep ME happy for years. Silently. There was no rationalization or justifications from me ... his MLC behaviour was for him to be silent. REALLY silent. His crisis brewed like a bubbling cauldron, along with WAS mentality for more than six years.

Originally Posted By: WS
Now that you get to take the high road though, realize that most of your requests will be shot down. How can they cooperate with you? That would admit defeat. THEY CAN'T DO THAT!!!

In our case, it's a control issue, and to be fair, rightly so in that I was a control freak, I did make all the decisions and I worked it until I got what I wanted. Now, I understand that until he finds balance in who he is, he will go to the other extreme ... the victim who becomes the bully. He can't and won't consider that maybe my motivations really are about what is best for the kids, he can only see me trying to get my way.

Originally Posted By: WS
But if you take the high road you can still try with no expectations.

I do take the high road, WS, and will continue to do so (even though that little gal in red with the pitchfork sitting on my shoulder keeps prodding me to do otherwise wink ). I do it, because it's who I am. I'm not trying anything. I have no expectations of him, not anymore.

My expectations are of me. Only me smile

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Very well spoken, PEI. Me, on the other hand, have a little trouble with the little She-Devil sitting on my left shoulder. She's red headed like I am and doesn't always listen to the angel on the right shoulder.

What WS says makes good sense,also. I know I was the Queen of Denial where my H was concerned. If I kept plugging along, it would all be better tomorrow, or tomorrow, or tomorrow.

Pei, if I don't get back with you before, Happy American Thanksgiving. I know Canada has their own,but I don't know when. By the way, do you eat Turkey, or is it just us??

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Thanks s'punkin smile

Our Thanksgiving was in early October ... and yep, we love our Turkey (and pumpkin pie)! I even love that it's in October ... lots of time to recover and want Turkey again by Christmas!


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Hey T, I'm sorry your h shot down you offer. It would have been nice for him to put the kids first.

But he couldnt. For a few reasons - one in which, as you said, was that he saw it as you controlling. The other is fear. Fear that you are trying to lure him back in and change his mind. Fear of looking at what he's done. Best to stick to his plan, in his mind.

So, you did the right thing. For me, that matters. I no longer worry about what he thinks or feels. It's how I feel. And if it feels right to me, then that's a good thing.

You have no control over how he parents. And no amount of MC or anything else is going to change his mindset. It's best for you to just do the best you can for your children, be there for them, protect them as best you could.

I know it is frustrating when you have small children. Frustrating and worrisome. But, as long as you are their rock, their safe place and they know they can come to you, they will be ok.

You are going to have times when you feel angry, overwhelmed and sad. And that's ok.

Just remember who you are. Sweetie, you are doing great.

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This song hit a chord with me today ... just thought I'd share the lyrics ...

Beautiful ~ Christina Aguilera

Every day is so wonderful
And suddenly, i saw debris
Now and then, I get insecure
From all the pain, I'm so ashamed

I am beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring me down
I am beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring me down
So don't you bring me down today

To all your friends, you're delirious
So consumed in all your doom
Trying hard to fill the emptiness
The piece is gone left the puzzle undone
That's the way it is

You are beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring you down
You are beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring you down
Don't you bring me down today...

No matter what we do
(no matter what we do)
No matter what they say
(no matter what they say)
When the sun is shining through
Then the clouds won't stay


And everywhere we go
(everywhere we go)
The sun won't always shine
(sun won't always shine)
But tomorrow will find a way
All the other times

'cause we are beautiful no matter what they say
Yes, words won't bring us down, oh no
We are beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring us down
Don't you bring me down today

Don't you bring me down today
Don't you bring me down today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-USUDzycRvM


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Darn site ... got the lyrics wrong in the first couple of lines ... and damn lack of edit feature ... grrr

Should read ...

Every day is so wonderful
And suddenly, it's hard to breathe ...


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I guess I'm in a Christina frame of mind these days ...

This song is where I'm at today ...

Fighter ~ Christina Aguilera

[Spoken:]
After all that you put me through,
You think I'd despise you,
But in the end I wanna thank you,
'Cause you've made me that much stronger

Well I thought I knew you, thinkin' that you were true
Guess I, I couldn't trust called your bluff time is up
Cause I've had enough
You were there by my side, always down for the ride
But your joy ride just came down in flames cause your greed sold me out in shame

After all of the stealing and cheating you probably think that I hold resentment for you
But uh uh, oh no, you're wrong
Cause if it wasn't for all that you tried to do, I wouldn't know
Just how capable I am to pull through
So I wanna say thank you
Cause it

[Chorus:]
Makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter

Never saw it coming, all of your backstabbing
Just so you could cash in on a good thing before I'd realize your game
I heard you're going round play, the victim now
But don't even begin feeling I'm the one to blame
Cause you dug your own grave
After all of the fights and the lies cause you're wanting to haunt me
But that wont work anymore, no more,
It's over
Cause if it wasn't for all of your torture
I wouldn't know how to be this way now and never back down
So I wanna say thank you
Cause it

[Chorus]

How could this man I thought I knew
Turn out to be unjust so cruel
Could only see the good in you
Pretend to not to see the truth
You tried to hide your lies, disguise yourself
Through living in denial
But in the end you'll see
YOU-WONT-STOP-ME

I am a fighter and I
I ain't gonna stop
There is no turning back
I've had enough

[Chorus]

You thought I would forget
But I remembered
Cause I remembered
I remembered
You thought I would forget
I remembered
Cause I remembered
I remembered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstrAfoMKlc

Gratitude for the lessons ... something I'm trying to truly take forward with me smile

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Great song! Hope you had a good Thanksgiving. I haven't been on the site in about a week, so I am way behind on everyones posts. Also, there are so many new people...I can't keep up. It is so so sad to see so many new people on the site. It is depressing.


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Pink's song, "who knew" is the theme song to my life :-) love this song!

"Who Knew"

You took my hand
You showed me how
You promised me you'd be around
Uh huh
That's right
I took your words
And I believed
In everything
You said to me
Yeah huh
That's right

If someone said three years from now
You'd be long gone
I'd stand up and punch them out
Cause they're all wrong
I know better
Cause you said forever
And ever
Who knew

Remember when we were such fools
And so convinced and just too cool
Oh no
No no
I wish I could touch you again
I wish I could still call you friend
I'd give anything

When someone said count your blessings now
'fore they're long gone
I guess I just didn't know how
I was all wrong
They knew better
Still you said forever
And ever
Who knew

Yeah yeah
I'll keep you locked in my head
Until we meet again
Until we
Until we meet again
And I won't forget you my friend
What happened

If someone said three years from now
You'd be long gone
I'd stand up and punch them out
Cause they're all wrong and
That last kiss
I'll cherish
Until we meet again
And time makes
It harder
I wish I could remember
But I keep
Your memory
You visit me in my sleep
My darling
Who knew
My darling
My darling
Who knew
My darling
I miss you
My darling
Who knew
Who knew


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Gah...

It's like chorus line in here...



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