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Cadet #2109471 11/27/10 08:29 PM
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.I responded okay let's try that - no contact. She boldly refused.

No contact/dark/dim is not something you ask her permission to do.
You do it to protect yourself from her antics.
If you choose to do this then you just start.
It is what YOU choose, nothing to do with her.


I was talking about her having no contact with OM.


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What do you folks make of this?
She has a tennis scrimmage this morning.
When she comes home I asked how it went.
She said something like horrible.
I asked is it her bad knee or elbow.
She said no it's because of me, all weepy with tears in her eyes.
She mentions possibly losing her job if I expose.
She's scared to death I'm going to tell kids and everyone.
Yesterday I only blurted it out of anger, but she thinks I'm serious.
I re-assured her, but she's still weepy, almost resembles the emotional rollercoaster I was on after the bomb.
I sense an opening here, what should I do?


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Mediate 4-21-11
Civil D Final 6-2-11
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"A man is not finished when he is defeated, he is finished when he quits."
Lotus #2109476 11/27/10 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Lotus
Have you considered going to a Retrouvaille weekend? check the website, www.helpourmarriage.org for locations and dates. They can really help couples heal the marriage. It worked for me!


I suggested that right after the bomb, but got negative response.
She seems to have made up her mind.


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Civil D Final 6-2-11
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"A man is not finished when he is defeated, he is finished when he quits."
InAPickle #2109477 11/27/10 08:43 PM
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Oh and I almost forgot the best part.

She said she's decided not to go to OH to visit OM.
She said OM doesn't want to be responsible for me going crazy and exposing her and all. How nice of the guy !!

Trugritter, can you take a trip to Dayton and do some kneecaps?


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Originally Posted By: Pickle
Trugritter, can you take a trip to Dayton and do some kneecaps?


The deed is free wink you cover my expenses...

Pickle this is great opportunity for you to stop the artillery exchange with her.

She is trying to find some way out of this mess.

You can't show her anger right now. If you feel it make your mistakes on the inside of you not outside of you.

Look if she ends this thing she WILL go through a withdrawal phase and that is going to suck to watch that but you must be understanding.

Right now?

Just don't make any sudden moves. Validate and listen ok.

The STFU rule is still in effect ok.

Just listen.


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What is the STFU rule ???


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InAPickle #2109543 11/28/10 04:10 AM
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Okay, she's getting emboldened.
I noticed this after she has a long phone chat with some "confidant."
Tonight she wants to "talk" D.
She wants to either live in the same house divorced for the kids or she wants me to move out.
She says the house is as much hers as mine.
How do you like that?
I told her I wasn't going anywhere.
But she still doesn't get it.
I told her before, I wouldn't live with a divorced wife, and I will not move out.
That leaves one alternative - she moves.
She baited me into getting my anger up again, so I told her I am not talking about this anymore.
Oh and she rubbed in the, "You're just mad that I dont want to be married to you anymore."
This is a subtle new tact, no mention of EA or OM at all.
I think she's getting this kind of advice.
I will talk to a lawyer next week, but in the meantime.
What should I do?


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InAPickle #2109575 11/28/10 12:55 PM
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STFU=Shut the F@ck up.

"You're just mad that I dont want to be married to you anymore."

She is right Pickle.

That is how she sees you right now.

Stop fighting.

I don't think you should move. If she does want to D let her do the work.

You need to concentrate on not having any anger provoking convos with her right now.

You need to detach.

This is just a pull and push game right now.

Talk to the lawyer and know your rights and options. Protect yourself.

She knows you won't want her living there and being divorced. She is trying to bully you and make you act like the pissed off jerk she thinks you are right now.

You have to be the man you want to be and step toward that everyday.

Not for her.

For you.

Do you want to be a pissed off jerk?

Choose something different.


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Originally Posted By: Truegritter
STFU=Shut the F@ck up.

"You're just mad that I dont want to be married to you anymore."

She is right Pickle.

That is how she sees you right now.

Stop fighting.

I don't think you should move. If she does want to D let her do the work.

You need to concentrate on not having any anger provoking convos with her right now.

You need to detach.

This is just a pull and push game right now.

Talk to the lawyer and know your rights and options. Protect yourself.

She knows you won't want her living there and being divorced. She is trying to bully you and make you act like the pissed off jerk she thinks you are right now.

You have to be the man you want to be and step toward that everyday.

Not for her.

For you.

Do you want to be a pissed off jerk?

Choose something different.


Gritter, did you really go thru all this crap already?
I admire you man. It seems every time she wants to talk, I get pissed off, 'cause everytime she drops some new "bomb" on me.

New Goal List for Pickle:

1. STFU
2. Make her do all the work.
3. Get legal advice to protect myself
4. Protect the kids as best I can.

But I've decided I am not going to "allow" her to "use" the children to get what she wants - cake. If they have to find out, I'll leave them in God's hands. I've been carrying way too much burden on my shoulders, because of WAW's choices. Screw Her !!!!


Me 53 XW 50
M 18 Years +2
S14 D19
Bomb 10-24-10
Served 1-27-11
Mediate 4-21-11
Civil D Final 6-2-11
No church anullment
"A man is not finished when he is defeated, he is finished when he quits."
InAPickle #2109587 11/28/10 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pickle
Gritter, did you really go thru all this crap already?


Denial? Yes.
Bargaining? Yes.
Anger? Yes.
Acceptance? Yes.
Forgiveness? Yes.

All of these did I go through. And Anger is the toughest. And it comes around still.

You have to decide who you want to be Pickle.

You can be a victim of bad choices and behavior.

You can leave and get on the next bus to Bitterville.

The barn door is open my friend.

And no one will blame you.

BUT

Are you living your life for anyone or everyone?

You contributed to part of your M demise and you have to figure out what that is.

You won't see it through your anger.

Do you want to be what most men do? Become a statistic?

When you took your vows did you say:

"I will love and honor you all the days of my life, for better or worse

BUT

If you get scared and lose your way.

If you get so scared you RUN away.

I won't.

???? Is that what it meant really that day you said it?

You are entitled only to what you choose. You control that.

Will you let someone dictate your life and what you believe by their actions or inactions?

This is not for th faint of heart. This will take you down to your core. Most people don't have the stomach for the "worse" in for better or worse.

Decide what kind of man you want to be and get to gettin' there.

Admire me?

I am here because this tragedy changed my life. I am a better man because of it.

AND ALLL OF US

Have that inside us if we choose it.

People here helped me see that I could be that man and I am here to be a witness to that...

To give back what I got.

I don't ask for admiration. I don't need it.

I am here for you.

You can choose to "Screw her" or not.

I can only say we get what we give. Love is a choice. Not a guarantee.

Not an entitlement we deserve.

The day we understand that, we discover the true power of the word.

Your choices will confirm or deny what that means for you and to your W. About you.

Your choices define you. Choose wisely.


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