Hmmm. Happy Again's posts disturb me for a number of reasons. And this is nothing personal to HA who is a courageous guy with a lot of insight. His MLc was comparatively short, and there was no PA, and as far as I am aware, no beggaring of his wife and children. For a MLCer he behaved quite well.

He also makes the point that although there are similarities, each MLCer is diferent, with different personal issues, AND different issues with their spouse. He is a very self aware guy, and well worth listening to, including his own cautions about how we treat his posts.

HA's wife was not left for many years, he was not unfaithful, he understood the degree of hurt he inflicted on his children by his self centred and irresponsible behaviour, and he 'got it'. Many of us here are dealing with people probably even more damaged [if the degree of damage is any indicator of the length of the MLC], or at least less self aware.

HA's old posts are insightful, but they are not the grail. Each of us has to walk through this in our own way, and not all of the WAS make it through the tunnel, and that is not our fault. Snodderly's husband never did, and if anyy woman knows how to handle a MLCer it is her!

Value yourself, it is different from being proud.