That Victorio Secreto remark really gave me a giggle I can almost see them! Oh well, what can I say, I am a visual woman.
This is my 2 cents contribution to this discussion about feminism and how women misuses it to justify the most incredible (and foolish )things.
This philosophy were people believe that society is disadvantageous to women, depriving them of choices, economic oportunity, political power , bla bla bla and what this phil. want is to "close that gap" and make their contributions count, equality is the goal is an ok one at best but horribly misunderstood and explited.
Here is my problem with this : Yes, we have been oppress for all times, and yes, things needs to change BUT and a BIG BUT many ! people unfortunately confuses what gender differences truly are, and that they are not all created equal. They think that these diff are taught by society and they got to go, because they are there to keep the males in power. Well, I think I am not alone when I say that ALL gender diff ARE NOT LEARNED, many are hardwire in our genes. Having said that, having them is fine, Don't get me wrong, I am not blind and yes, there still is a double standard out there, with what I will call "artificial gender differences" those are the ones that feminist should focus on i.e making less money, passing over them on job promotions, etc. but to say that EVERYTHING that is different between us got to go to get this equality is just BS. Feminism also says that the female nature needs to be valued and even praised, what about male nature then? I think they took the wrong road where all male normal responses, both learned and not, are immediately demonized when they shouldn't, that is why all human being have this little thing called a brain, to distinguish between what is a society taught response and what is just a natural one.
I come from a culture ( I am Southamerican) that needs a great deal of machism erradication procedures, they are a long way to go to get to the standard of U.S. , which mostly is thanks to the feminist movement (so thank you on that regard you feminist people), but at the same time a lot of the good old fashion maleness is kind of gone....sorry guys, but is true, and most of it is not even your fault. As a way of making my point, I will give you an anecdote that happend to me when I was much younger.When I first moved to the U.S. I remember going to a party where there were a lot of guys. I remember telling my friend, which is an American girl, after we left the party that I thought it was so unfortunate that I was obviously not very attractive to american men, since nobody had really showed me any sort of attention (just as a side note, I am a very beautiful woman...hey! if I don't say it, nobody will!). My friend started laughing when I said this, then she told me that she counted at least 7 guys that were all over me or looking at me, definitely showing a lot of interest and that she thought I was crazy! Well, here is the kicker, I found out from some of them later, when we all got to be friends that they were a bid afraid of me . The reason why my girlfriend and I had such different perceptions about this matter is that were I come from guys are much more forward and "aggresive" per se, showing their attraction clearly, they are more inclined to tell you that they like you and show quite clearly their interest in different ways. I was flabbegasted with this realization and I wanted to know why . I found out from these american male friends that guys have been burned so many times in such embarassing ways when they were aggresively pursuing a girl that they were afraid to do it. They told me that showing chivalry was not encourage, because it was percived as a way of being patronizing and belittlering to women. Talk about a horrible side effect of the feminist movement!
After that I got the picture and I started to look for the (in my opinion small) shows of interest from the male population and interpret them as an american girl, with just very fine raddars
I think that feminist are ok as long as they understand that men are not the enemy and they appreciate the "Good differences" . If they are going to treat them like there is something wrong for being more visual and saying that they appreciate the female form, they are just not someone I can respect; my suspicion is mayor insecurity or pure ignorance.
