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1- Know what your own values and limits are


"A confident man knows his limits", Clint Eastwood as 'Dirty Harry'.


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Originally Posted By: Bridgestone
and until you love yourself.. you can't love others.
So can you set a boundary before you do this ^^^^^^^ ?

Good post Bridgestone.

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Originally Posted By: TimeHeals
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1- Know what your own values and limits are


"A confident man knows his limits", Clint Eastwood as 'Dirty Harry'.


Actually, it's "You're a good man, Lieutenant. And a good man's GOT to know his limitations," but let's not stop ol' TH -- he's rollin'!

Forget It, He's rollin' . . .


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Again the consequence component was omitted from Bridge's post.. just tells you to set a boundary, doesnt' tell you what to do when its transgressed...

I really am out of patience with this...

There is absoluteily no point in talking about boundaries if you aren't prepared to act in a way to protect them and yourself... And that seems to be what is consistently missing from a lot of this boundary talk...

These aren't boundaries, they are hollow threats... since no one is advocating backing them up...

You are effectively holding a water gun at a gang of terrorists and telling them to back off...

There's no point... no point at all...

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I think everyone on this forum has conceeded that setting boundaries is important...

The dispute is not there but in how to implement that boundary in practice and enforcement when that boundary is transgressed...

Everyone is talking boundaries and no one is talking about protecting them...

All talk, and no action gets no logically no where.. no action, nothing changes...

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Frank, I don't believe anyone is disagreeing with you, in fact I think that it is implied that a consequence has to come with a boundary.

The consequence aspect is what makes it hard.

"Don't do Y or I will do X (punishment)."

Easy, more or less to think you are just punishing the WAS, but the fact is you have to be able to do, live up to X.

Otherwise I agree that is is hollow threat, easy to ignore and the LBS did it to themselves by NOT following through with the consquence.



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Perhaps this is a really simplistic example, but when I sit on my couch, my dog will sometimes try to get her front paws on the couch so that she can get a better scratch behind the ears. As soon as she does, I stop scratching. She then steps back off the couch and I don't start scratching again until she does. Sometimes a lack of positive re-enforcement is enough to enforce a boundary. (Sometimes it isn't.)

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Originally Posted By: Coach

I am a almost WAW, my H is abusive. I am working on my part of the relationship. Am I just supposed to take it until I get me figured out? I love on him the best I can. I do what he asks and they he tells me it's not good enough, I ask for help understanding and he just stomps off. I think I need to learn to communicate better. I think he is having a A but it's not his fault.

I am taking care of myself, and go to IC. I have friends and hobbies, which he is very jealous of so I am thinking of changing that. Would that bring more love to the M? When I change my behavior in a healthy way he gets mad and punishes me. I guess I need to change more. Tired of walking on eggshells.

My goals - get him to listen, help me around the house, and some affection.

ps It's hard to get him to listen because he texts constantly.


I believe the average abused woman leaves her marriage 7-10 times--and then goes back to the abuser--before she is ready to make that final break. Often, during that time, she involves the police after particularly brutal attacks. They will typically tell her to press charges; however, her abusive H will generally persuade her to drop these.

Each of these 7-10 escapes and calls to the police is a failed attempt to set boundaries. As Bridgestone points out, this woman will not be able to set a firm boundary until she stops thinking that SHE is the source of the problem and puts her own well-being above her desperate need to be in a relationship.

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Originally Posted By: MakingProgress
Perhaps this is a really simplistic example, but when I sit on my couch, my dog will sometimes try to get her front paws on the couch so that she can get a better scratch behind the ears. As soon as she does, I stop scratching. She then steps back off the couch and I don't start scratching again until she does. Sometimes a lack of positive re-enforcement is enough to enforce a boundary. (Sometimes it isn't.)


It may work for a dog who has no visible alternatives, but when you are dealing with an addicted spouse who has a third party pressuring them to leave the marriage its a bit difficult.

You try getting your dog to cooperate when someone else they like even more is waving cookies at them... Go ahead, I dare you

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