Divorcebusting.com  |  Contact      
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 23 of 27 1 2 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 557
F
Member
Offline
Member
F
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 557
Originally Posted By: flowmom
Wise words ABG...I couldn't agree more. Non-violent Communication is a very helpful resource for learning about peaceful communication where the intention is to truly share and not just approach communication as combat.


I must be reading the wrong thread...

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
A
Member
Offline
Member
A
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
It’s completely understandable to be skeptical. I certainly felt the same way when I first heard about this approach. If I hadn’t witnessed its power in relationships - whether enhancing communication or setting boundaries - I would probably still feel that way.

Also, keep in mind that what was presented were just possible initial responses. It typically takes several back & forths to get to that point.

I can’t attest directly to whether it would be effective when dealing with an addict. Depending on the depth of the addiction, an addict is in a permanent state of unconsciousness, and it probably takes more than effective communication to facilitate a change. However, there’s probably very little a spouse can do other than to learn to stop enabling and ultimately leave if the addiction continues. That is the realm of professionals.

Just because something may possibly not be effective for an addict, does that mean it is useless in interacting with a spouse?

It makes sense that this be seen as coddling or even reinforcing “bad” behavior. I felt similarly before I saw it in action and felt its effectiveness. I wish I could state I always take this approach. A couple of weeks ago I had an argument with my W and I did the walk-away thing. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that - and it took a bit longer to process and resolve the disagreement as a result.

That’s why the “why” part is a crucial precursor. I have no interest in being in a relationship with a rapist; I do have an interest in a loving relationship with my W. Since boundaries are a crucial part of that, I want to do what is most effective, and this approach has worked for me and our M. Your mileage may vary.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
A
Member
Offline
Member
A
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
Also, FWIW, I don't use "conscious" and "unconscious" in any deeply spiritual sense. When I am "unconscious" simply means that I am in the grip of my feelings and am reactive rather than responsive. I am unable to hear what the other person is communicating. When I am "conscious," I am aware of my feelings but not being driven by them. So I am able to hear them.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
S
Member
Offline
Member
S
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
Originally Posted By: ArnieBGood
Also, FWIW, I don't use "conscious" and "unconscious" in any deeply spiritual sense. When I am "unconscious" simply means that I am in the grip of my feelings and am reactive rather than responsive. I am unable to hear what the other person is communicating. When I am "conscious," I am aware of my feelings but not being driven by them. So I am able to hear them.


So when someone "is in the grip of their feelings, and reactive" you excuse any of their boorish behavior?

Sorry, that dog won't hunt with me. I think it's not good for the recipient, and it also does no favors for the boor.

Starsky


M57 W 57; D30 D28 S24 S20 GD7 GD2 GD1 GD5m GD1m
BD 5/07; W's affair 5/07-8/07

At the end of every hard-earned day, people gotta find some reason to believe. (Bruce Springsteen)
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,866
S
Member
Offline
Member
S
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,866


If you think you are in a relationship with someone, and they are not, you can agree with them without saying a word.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
A
Member
Offline
Member
A
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
Originally Posted By: Starsky309

So when someone "is in the grip of their feelings, and reactive" you excuse any of their boorish behavior?
Somewhere in what was written you saw behavior being "excused."

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
A
Member
Offline
Member
A
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
Originally Posted By: Steve McQueen
If you think you are in a relationship with someone, and they are not, you can agree with them without saying a word.
True. Maybe you have something specific in mind.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
S
Member
Offline
Member
S
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
Originally Posted By: ArnieBGood
Originally Posted By: Starsky309

So when someone "is in the grip of their feelings, and reactive" you excuse any of their boorish behavior?
Somewhere in what was written you saw behavior being "excused."



Yes, I did. They're "hurting," they're "unconscious," etc. Yep -- making excuses for them, IMHO.


Starsky


M57 W 57; D30 D28 S24 S20 GD7 GD2 GD1 GD5m GD1m
BD 5/07; W's affair 5/07-8/07

At the end of every hard-earned day, people gotta find some reason to believe. (Bruce Springsteen)
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
A
Member
Offline
Member
A
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 152
So for you, acknowledging feelings means also accepting behavior.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
S
Member
Offline
Member
S
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,810
If it's not coupled with a boundary, yes.

i.o.w. I think you must say "I can hear that you're frustrated, but I won't tolerate the disrespectful tone" ...(or yelling, or whatever -- insert boorish behavior HERE)... "if you can't speak to be respectfully, this conversation is over."

I think we've talked this one to death, Arnie. We're going to just have to agree to disagree.

Starsky


M57 W 57; D30 D28 S24 S20 GD7 GD2 GD1 GD5m GD1m
BD 5/07; W's affair 5/07-8/07

At the end of every hard-earned day, people gotta find some reason to believe. (Bruce Springsteen)
Page 23 of 27 1 2 21 22 23 24 25 26 27

Moderated by  Cadet, DnJ, job, Michele Weiner-Davis 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Michele Weiner-Davis Training Corp. 1996-2025. All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5