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Db9 #2092866 10/21/10 02:29 PM
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Arnie, I feel that I somewhat validated her. I told her she was right and that us working on this earlier would have been a good idea, that we ignored each other and both made mistakes. I just didn't know how to take what she was saying and translate it into the future. In the past I had been the one asking to go to counseling etc, but I didn't know how to take what she was saying and say well we should do this without sounding pushy or whatever.

Pookie I really did like your line though.


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The question is always more powerful than the demanding statement. wink


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pookie69 #2092871 10/21/10 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: pookie69
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As far as going about any of this, is this something that should be said now b/c it's so fresh, or do I just let it go into next week unless she calls me before then?


Let her contact you. You made yourself clear.



Even though the last thing I said was I need time to think if I can trust you to do this?


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Db9 #2092872 10/21/10 02:34 PM
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So take your time.


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pookie69 #2092919 10/21/10 03:51 PM
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So after thinking it over for a bit, maybe you would be willing to express what conclusions you are reaching.

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I just didn't know how to take what she was saying and translate it into the future.
No need for the future - the present is enough. Unscrambling coded messages like this is a key element of validation.

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Arnie, everything that she said yesterday leads me to the conclusion that she wishes everything was different, feels guilt b/c instead of working on things she just left, and part ofme really agrees with pookie that she is wanting me to take the lead in all this. I just don't know how I can take the lead without it seem like I'm pressuring her.

The big 3 things that stand out to me as her reaching out for sympathy or change are: 1 she wished we would have changed things/ not gotten to this point.
2 she wishes we were doing our normal life like hanging out with friends.
3. She felt the need to tell me about how she didn't sleep good the night I told her that we were to have no communication.


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And patience is really what I'm trying to keep here. Also while I was surprised she mentioned any of these things, she could have also just been trying to get rid of some of her guilt.


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Quote:
1 she wished we would have changed things/ not gotten to this point.
2 she wishes we were doing our normal life like hanging out with friends.
3. She felt the need to tell me about how she didn't sleep good the night I told her that we were to have no communication.


Three opportunities to validate. When you validate her feelings it creates a connection, she will feel "seen" (she matters to you), and show you are listening.

How could you have validated her when she said those things?


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Don't mindread.

Yes, she wants you to lead. She gave you all the hints you need to take charge.

She is watching you now.


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Db9 #2092963 10/21/10 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Db9
how I can take the lead without it seem like I'm pressuring her.
By first being crystal clear on your goals - I believe Coach asked you about this a few posts back, and your response was to be in a loving relationship where both of you were committed and working on it (paraphrasing - I hope I got the gist).

If I had heard what she said about wishing things weren't like they were, it would seem that she is expressing a desire to work on the relationship now. The reason why validation is important is that it would help find out whether that is indeed the case (otherwise it's just mind-reading).

Some minor tweaking of pookie's suggestion a few posts back would be helpful - of course only if it is indeed what you mean.

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