Isn't that what I said - support is short - 2.5 years (I said two based on a four year marriage). I don't find the amount of support unreasonable considering your W is not educated and has been out of the workforce for 4-5 years.

That is why you (general you) don't discuss support with a WAS who made the decision to walk away w/o knowing the particulars. When she invests 12 years in a marriage then she can get 6 years of support. Talking with somebody who bases their information on what they want instead the scope of the law is a waste.

It doesn't really matter what you would rather do. No judge in their right mind will award a 4 year marriage with a healthy spouse 6-8 yrs of spousal support. So offering to pay a large amount for a shorter time was not smart! You offer to pay LESS for even shorter than what she *might* get. Never start at your ceiling going in. It's negotiating 101.