omg sandi, thanks a million for your words of wisdom. i have read and re-read your posts again and again. i think you are right about my eldest D. i do not wish to strip away from my wife the respect that my children have for her. she cherishes them completely. should i be so lucky. however much we might be in contention now, and i can honestly say that i think she is so confused what with this new EA, possible PA, which she continues to deny despite my knowing to the contrary with the help of keylogger...

in so far as motherhood? fair question. but i think my wife does care. in her recent keylog entry she wrote a small thing about wanting to check on her to make sure she was in bed before calling the OM. i know she does not want her or the other children to even know.

you are right. i am feeling extremely emotional. went to MT today which seemed to go well. 1st time w/ new counselor. he asked our goals: mine, stay together and hers, "i've had enough." ugh. agree with continuing to snoop. a friend of mine tried to tell me otherwise but ultimately i think she has to face what she is doing. it is NOT right. it is wrong. plain and simple. i suspect the other mine might even have 4 children himself!! what are these people thinking?

you absolutely have my attn, thank you again. i should probably head over to the infidelity forum as much as it might turn my stomach... i have been reading on some sites (www.marriagebuilders.com) for one that seems to push the idea of building yourself up to a position where your spouse can hopefully recognize your value. how can an EA/PA substitute for a marriage of 15 y w/ 5 children? wanna pull my hair out when i ask that question. everything seems as if it moving beyond my control. have to try and take it one day at a time. breath slower, no? : ) rambling now. thanks again.