Originally Posted By: Lotus
I fail to see where John is doing so poorly. He successfully manipulated her into agreeing to go to Retrouvaille, has her chasing him, and got her to admit to being open to reconciliation. How many other people have been that successful lately?

And then there's the fact that she moved out and is living in one room while he is in the house. Looks to me like I see the glass half full while everyone else claims it is spilling all over the counter!


Really? I mean really?

At what POINT do you accept manipulation? If he's manipulating then whats the purpose of him ever TRYING to better himself? If you do anything other than better your self, you FAIL at DB'ing! Period. Read Coaches thread about what the WAS and LBS has in common.