Not sure where to start, or end. WAW?

[john28]

bro 80 pages into your thread,
what real progress have you made if any?

Not busting your hump,
but seriously, what progress have you made doing what you've been doing?

I mean real progress,
not stuff like "she calls me on the phone to say Hi.... and stuff"

You're 28 and she's 24, she hooked up with the latest OM that was 21, wow at least he was old enough to drink & vote.... You are way too young to have to be suffering through this crap.

She has cheated on you several times and you keep wanting her, maybe the problem isn't so much with her, maybe its with you.

Do you enjoy hurting yourself?

She moved out almost 2 weeks ago, that's a positive in your situation, you really need a break from her.

She dropped the "bomb" on you on father's day of all days?
Are you serious?
And you still want this person back?
What is it she does for you that is so special?
No regular sex, I'm thinking poor communication, not a great friendship, probably no common hobbies/activities, etc.

Do you just want to be with her for the sake of the kid?

It's ok to be honest, a lot of people think that's the best thing to do.

What example are you setting for your son?
Do you want him to be in a relationship like this when he's your age, 20 some odd years from now?

Do you consider yourself valuable?
Or do you have low self esteem?

I have read 80 pages of abuse and her dangling a carrot in front of you, just out of your reach so that you never get a bite. Let me know when this is getting old.

Divorce busting isn't just about stopping a divorce.
It's about personal development, recognizing the real faults and poor habits that you have and seeing what you can do to improve & fix them, not for your WAS, but for you.

Damn, Rob.
Damn.
That's a lot to think about.
A lot.

But, at a core you're right.

That's painful to admit.

I love her. I do. I love lots about her. Do I want to be with her for sake of the kid? Probably. Is that the only reason? No. Can I define those other reasons? I don't know.

No regular sex, I'm thinking poor communication, not a great friendship, probably no common hobbies/activities, etc.

Regular sex? Yes. Good sex? I settled for less than good sex alot of times
Poor communication? Hell yes.
Great friendship? Yes.
No common hobbies/activities? No. We're share lots of things together.

You're right. 80 pages in, and I show zero progress. Natta. Zilch.

Do I consider myself valuable? Not in my R. In my work/friends/everything else... yes.

Thanks bro. I needed this.

Time to go back to the drawing board.

Ultimately, I do want to be with my W because of our kid. That's what's guiding me in all of this. After stepping back, reflecting, and understanding our R, I don't like it all where it is or has been. I want something different.