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FMV, what you need to remember is that Coach and Puppy (and some others I'm sure) are HERE and already been through "the enligtening process" so it's now part of them. they SEE the need for it. May nothave recognized it as much or at all before they got here.

I wouldn't dicount the effect of "enlightening". And your H hasn't "seen" that light yet. May never. But.....

This is correct. In our case, it took a bold move to help my H 'hear' what I'd been trying to communicate (ineffectively) to him for many years.
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