Originally Posted By: steady
Obviously it's not. That's the whole premise of if you love something set it free.

If you really love someone you wouldn't want to get in the way of them and their happiness. You wouldn't want to take them from the path they need to be on in order to become the people they will be.

Lester Levenson said it best - The love we show isn't love at all. It's an exchange of giving and getting. When the person is with us we love them. As soon as they try to leave we despise them and curse them.

In all actuality we are doing what the WAS is doing - except in the completely opposite direction. They want to be happy. They do what they do looking for it. When they leave, we are unhappy. We want them to come back so we can be happy.

If we try to manipulate and control them to come back, we are only interfering in the natural evolution of them as a person. Sometimes backwards is forwards. It's all appearances. Just go read that Zen story about the farmer again.

We don't know what's bad or good. We only interpret what is happening and compare it to how it affects us. If we perceive it is taking something away from us we call it bad. If we perceive it as adding to us we call it good.


Not to barge in, but although I do agree with much of the concepts you discuss, I respectfully disagree with this. While "good" and "bad, "right" and "wrong" are so very subjective, it seems like a cop-out to me to release ourselves of the responsibility we have to look after our loved ones from doing "wrong", or "bad"...because hopefully we have enough insight and life experience to know what behaviors are conducive to a healthy, happy life...even if it's not our own. For example:

Say your wife loves heroine...She's convinced it's the key to her happiness in life...cause hell...it makes her happy and makes her feel good. You think it's wrong and destructive to her life, so you do everything in your power to influence her away from it. In your opinion its bad, and in her opinion it's good. Accepting the idea that it's not your right or responsibility to intervene on her behalf is crap to me. We owe more than that to the ones we love...even if we don't get it in return. Heroine would almost certainly screw up her life in the long run...it's wrong...it's bad...If you love her, you'd rightfully do everything in your power to take her away from the "happiness" it brings her, and remove her from the "path" she's on...because you can and should positively influence the person by helping them towards the "path" that is most conducive to making them the person they should be...happy and healthy.

If I had a child and wanted them to learn to cross the street safely I have two options. 1. Natural evolution/progression: Meaning they figure it out by running across the street and get hit by a car, or almost get hit by a car...and from that experience, if they live, they learn to look both ways. OR 2: Intervene for what we know is right, and influence them to the best of my ability to look both ways from the get-go...and give them the best chance of not having to learn the hard way that running across a street without looking is "WRONG"

In my situation, I hold more value to my beliefs than to write them off as "just my opinion...Not definitively right or wrong" I love my wife unconditionally. To me, in my situation...that means I feel and have an obligation to steer her in a healthy direction, whether it results in the end of our marriage or not. Everything I do or say has her best interests in mind as much as my own. That is why I can let her go, or accept her back...as long as she is making the decision for the right reasons.

Sorry for my rant...I mean no disrespect...but I got worked up over the concepts of "right" and "wrong" being totally subjective. If we don't want to accept the task and responsibility of determining what is right or wrong...we might as well be wild animals.

Last edited by Mike.4545; 08/05/10 07:32 AM.

M: 29, W: 28
Together 8 years, Married 1 (5/16/09)
Bomb (LYBNILWY)4/22/10
Affair discovered 5/3/10, began Jan/Feb 2010
Separated 5/22/10 - Present
Affair exposed 7/7/10
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