Thank you so much for asking Tay. Wife went further back into tunnel today. Probably my fault. I did not go ballistic or anything just put a few facts out in the open that were designed to see what would happen. Increased confusion from her since I have not been in that arena for her for a while. I think sometimes we want to test the water to see if the alien is still human. If they peek out of the tunnel and too much time seems to go by, it is hard to stay patient so you feel the need to test or poke the alien. They really do have to want to work on themselves. If they don't or won't I think they have to hit rock bottom before the monster is dead. Then maybe they will pick themselves up in desperation. It does not appear my wife will hit rock bottom anytime soon. The words that come out of her are not who she was but the rebellious teenager who feels stuck in life in a place she does not belong. I really have admiration for the men and women here who have such a good grasp of MLC they can dig deep for patience. I mean really deep. I know you and I can work on ourselves so no whatever happens, we can be who we want to be and be happy with no regrets. Then like Eric says "one day it does not matter what they say" I feel that way sometimes too and it would be easier without a divorce decree hanging over your head. I can live with an alien who peeks out once a week or so but can the peeking go on for a year or more? I have read that they are 50-75% through when ILYBINILWY. then I am looking at about a year yet. With counseling that can shorten it and she goes once a week. I was optimistic and still will hang in there for a while so we will see how it goes.