Excellent points Grit.


Okay stilt--he is right. She does NOT want you to come to her like that. Not even a little. Have you read the DB/DR books? One of the things women look for are MEN. For some reason she doesn't see you like the man you once were. I'm not sure why, not my place to question the past--only get you through the here & now.


And right now she wants you to get a backbone. If you keep coming to her with these proclamation of undying love, all she is going to feel is smothered, not loved. She is just going to have more proof that you have turned into the man she thinks you are.

Doesn't matter what she thinks you are, btw. Never will. You aren't going to try to become the man she wants. That is a game & games never work. You are going to work on being the man YOU want to be. And if that happens to be the kind of man she wants, then great.

If not, then you are still a man with a spine, and some pride and dignity--you are the kind of man YOU can be proud of.

Regardless of how this turns out.

Back off. Turn around. Take a deep breath. Take another. And another.


This is not easy, this is going to be really, really hard. But we are here for you. Come here to vent, cry, moan, lament on how much you love her. Here. Only here.

Let her see you pulled together.

You can do this.

What are your plans for today? For you?

I'm going to clean up the house (some more) while the kids are all occupied and then tonight I think we are going to play camp-out in the living room and rent a movie.

Your turn...


formerly known as "shelbel"
Me 40, stbxh 40
DSs 9, 7 & 3
M9, T10
Stbxh is a diagnosed bipolar & an addict. The end.