kelly23, tip top advice. I really admire those people on here with kids who have to hand their children over for visitation when there is an OP involved in the stich and don't 'use' the kids to torment their spouse. I should count myself lucky that the OW is not in my face on a daily basis unlike some friends on this forum. My IC counselor said to have NO expectations of him as a father, not LOW expectations. Don't set him up to fail. So, I must set him up to succeed. ARGGGGGGGGGGH I hate this!