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Originally Posted By: flowmom
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I keep resisting putting on "big girl panties" because I picture some huge, white, waisties. Do big girl panties come in a tanga style with lace?
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Let's agree that big girl panties can be sassy cool

HAVE TO BE SASSY!
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This really describes what happened to our marriage:

from Crucible® 4 Points of Balance Brain by Drs. David Schnarch & Ruth Morehouse
http://crucible4points.com/sitebrains/fourpoints/index.html#-16
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Emotional Gridlock

The term “emotional gridlock” was first put into the therapy literature by Dr. David Schnarch in 1991 with publication of Constructing the Sexual Crucible. Emotional gridlock is a pervasive but rarely understood phenomena in relationships. It applies to other relationships as well as marriage. Emotional gridlock is one of the people-growing processes in relationships that stems from differentiation. On the surface emotional gridlock is a stalemate or impasse in your relationship, a complete lack of movement or inability to move forward.

When you're gridlocked, your relationship looks like it's at a standstill although it's bubbling beneath the surface. Emotional gridlock is a powerful dynamic process. It is important to understand what we mean by emotional gridlock, because there are lots of different ways you can envision what’s happening. Other people have subsequently used this term in different ways, so we need to clarify what we mean here.
Common misunderstandings

Emotional gridlock is not a “Mexican standoff.” This is a cliché for a tense confrontation between adversaries, guns drawn and ready to shoot, in a fight that neither can win. Both are willing to kill the other, neither wants to start a shoot out they die in, and neither side will relinquish their weapons for fear of being shot by the other. How you see marital problems greatly shapes how you deal with them, and seeing emotional gridlock as a Mexican standoff guarantees you won’t deal with it well.

Emotional gridlock is not simply a conflict of non-negotiable values. If this were the case, gridlock would be easier to deal with. Marriage teaches you that many things you thought were non-negotiable become negotiable when the stakes become high enough. Many issues in marriage are forced-choice, and you don’t have the luxury of taking a stand on an issue in a vacuum. (See the thought “Two-Choice Dilemmas” for more on this pattern of differentiation.)

Emotional gridlock is not simply a battle of wills. It's true that partners often take rigid adversarial positions with each other. This is particularly true when they depend on a reflected sense of self. But once you get your willfulness under control, emotional gridlock doesn’t go away because there’s a lot more going on. At times gridlock can be caused by willfulness and value conflicts, but these are one-dimensional views.
Emotional gridlock is multi-dimensional and dynamic. Gridlock involves many aspects of a relationship and both partners’ makeup. Gridlock is very much tied to your 4 Points of Balance (level of differentiation). Gridlock can spill over from one relationship issue to another. Gridlock involves the process of elimination which happens over time. To make sense of all this, let's start by explaining emotional gridlock.
An accurate picture of emotional gridlock

Think of a traffic jam in downtown New York. Nothing moves, but the system is dynamic, not static. One driver's attempts to move are blocked by another' driver's car, which is also similarly blocked. It’s not simply stubbornness. One couldn’t back up and accommodate the other even if he or she wanted to. There is something (another car) that prevents them from backing up and getting out of each other’s way. All key intersections are blocked. No one can move forward, backwards or sideways. It’s not reducible to a battle of wills, road rage, or an urge to kill each other. Drivers can’t get out of each other’s way even if they want to. Relationships are often like that too.

Emotional gridlock occurs when one partner's preferences or preferred position is blocked by what the other person prefers to do (or not do). Or one partner’s preferred way of doing things is incompatible with how the other wants to handle things. Partners often don’t start out with an adversarial stance or set their wills against each other. Gridlock easily develops by partners going out of their way to accommodate each other, and validate each other. This is why it’s not a Mexican standoff or a battle of wills or reducible to incompatible values.

In emotional gridlock, both partners are stuck. At the outset of a relationship partners are eager to accommodate. You accommodate when you can and have no desire to block each other. But eventually you and your partner can't accommodate each other without

* violating your sense of self, or
* giving up something you hold dear, or
* tolerating more anxiety and discomfort.

When you reach this point, you and your partner won't accommodate each other any longer. At this point the two of you are gridlocked. Antagonism, hostility, willful defiance, and passive-aggressiveness start to rise. This may not have been the source of gridlock, but it is often the result. Gridlock commonly arises from depending on your partner for a positive reflected sense of self, expecting him or her to accommodate you to keep your anxiety down and your feelings in check.

If you think you can avoid gridlock by compromising and negotiating, guess again. Couples who compromise and negotiate everything end up gridlocked too. Eventually you end up with no way to compromise and keep your integrity intact. It turns out emotional gridlock can also be caused by the sheer process of elimination.


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Hi Flo

Thanks for dropping by my thread.

I always think of big high waisted undies when I hear the term Big Girl Panties. Shudder.

I've been following along your sitch as I follow many sitches. I don't often post but I love the way you think and analyze everything. You have really worked on confronting your reality and you ARE a success story.

It is funny that the homepage of this site says "Divorcebusting.com - the place where marriages become stronger and more committed." We have seen precious little of that but we have seen lots of PEOPLE become stronger and more committed to improving themselves.

Interesting.

Hope you and your kids have a good day.


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Oh... so that's what "tanga style" means. I will probably forget that within the hour.

We guys have boxers, briefs, and boxer briefs. They come in colors.


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Originally Posted By: TimeHeals
Oh... so that's what "tanga style" means. I will probably forget that within the hour.

We guys have boxers, briefs, and boxer briefs. They come in colors.


Lol, Amen.

They are standard issue and serve a basic purpose.

Though you have to envy the ladies at times with their choice and variety and lovely materials... whistle


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The hardest thing about my sitch has been accepting the truth that my children won't grow up in an intact family and dealing with the fear, anxiety, and guilt that I have about that.

I want to write a bit about what has helped me in my journey as a mother over the last six months, because I know that many other LBS parents are facing the same painful realities.

Telling the children

I had two day's notice before the separation, and only one day to think about how to deal with telling the children. It was horrible, but I think we did an OK job.

I strongly disagree with a lot of the advice that I read here about making the WAS feel the consequences of their actions by making them tell the children or making them take sole responsibility for the separation/divorce. The reality is that children are the ones who pay the highest price in divorce frown . Most children remember the moment that they were told about the divorce for the rest of their lives. Parents owe it to them to manage the telling in the best way possible for the children's emotional health.

I recommend reading the age-specific advice on how to tell the children in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Helping-Your-Kids-Divorce-Sandcastles/dp/0679778012
Those who have experience with this issue have learned that children's interpretations and needs in learning this information are very different than the perspectives of the parents. I found that the book provided very useful guidelines that address the developmental stage of the child.


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I want to share a very useful roadmap for personal development that has been developed by Drs. David Schnarch and Ruth Morehouse, founders of the Crucible Approach.

Crucible® 4 Points of Balance™
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The 4 Points of Balance are our unique way of helping people become more grounded, adaptive, creative, and mature ("better differentiated"). They are part of our programmatic efforts to help people around the world to live better lives.

The 4 Points are:


Thanks to GoodAttitudeGirl for making me aware of this.

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I keep Passionate Marriage by my bed and always read at nights when I get frustrated. I am a fanatic. Glad you found the books. I tried to arrange a 3 day intesive with him. It's too damn
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Just stopping by. I hope you are feeling better today.

I really appreciate your reading suggestions. Please keep letting us know what you are reading and what you think of it!


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FM,

I'm glad you found David Schnarch's books helpful. Intimacy & Desire is my roadmap for moving forward.

Are you also using the website that David and his wife Ruth created? It's www.crucible4points.com. David and Ruth participate in the blogs so it's possible to get feedback directly from them sometimes.

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