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Thanks Fud .. I get it, I guess the point was that he can be very careful with how he words things to 'avoid' having lied.


Hmm so his moral credo is something like - 'well I may be a cheater but I'm damn well no liar' - interesting!

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Yeah, who f'ing knows how their brains work ... the day I found the texts where he was telling her he loved her I asked him if he had sex with her and he said an emphatic NO! I asked why not and he said ... wait for it ... "that would be wrong". Go figure. Geesh.


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Originally Posted By: PEImom_of_3
I guess the point was that he can be very careful with how he words things to 'avoid' having lied.


Mine says nothing to avoid implicating himself. I've been VERY impressed by how quickly he can censor himself through all of this! Guess he doesn't realize that 'lying by omission' is STILL lying.

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Yeah, who f'ing knows how their brains work ... the day I found the texts where he was telling her he loved her I asked him if he had sex with her and he said an emphatic NO! I asked why not and he said ... wait for it ... "that would be wrong". Go figure. Geesh.


My WH and OW attend bible study together every Friday night! Wonder how they're going to explain THAT to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates?! "The 6th Commandment? Uh...never saw it - my dog ate The Book of Exodus?"

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Originally Posted By: Seeingred
"The 6th Commandment? Uh...never saw it - my dog ate The Book of Exodus?"


LMFAO!

THAT is funny chit...


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I am soooo sorry missed this!! I was having a Big Friday celebration of my own.

On the topic of wax v. no wax... well I'm going to post a video of just that debate on the alt.

forgive the vulgarity. lol!

Will do, True. Thanks.

Hey...how many messages went out when i first joined, hmmmmm? lol!


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Hey...how many messages went out when i first joined, hmmmmm? lol!


Yeah it was:

OMG! Some crazy woman named Shelbel is arguing with Jack, Mach, and Cat!

Check it out!

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BTW you were right Mach is snarky...


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Hey now...I didn't argue with Cat... she didn't show up until a little later. Or I probably would have--the whole thing had gone straight to hell by that point. lol!!

Love you Cat!!


Yeah, he is snarky... BUT that's one of the reasons I love him! A kinder, gentler Mach would be scary. And a sign of the apocalypse, I'm sure. lmao!!


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Yeah, he is snarky... BUT that's one of the reasons I love him! A kinder, gentler Mach would be scary. And a sign of the apocalypse, I'm sure. lmao!!



I'm almost too teared up to type this <sniff>

Told ya it was one of my best qualities

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I Love ya, Man!! Don't ever change.

Unless of course it's something that you've identified as a problem area & the change is really for YOU. Then by all means...


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I'm processing a lot right now ... trying to take it all in. I am in a good place. I finally understand loving detachment and unconditional love. What a view from up here!

I've been thinking about our upcoming appt with the MC where I intend to tell H that I am moving back into the house full-time and that it is time for him to do what he's been saying he's needed all along - be independant. I am prepping myself for any response so I can't be surprised and REACTIVE, I intend to be RESPONSIVE where necessary, and I will explain my positon to him if he asks but this is non-negotiable for me at this point. I am not in love with the man H is. The old me loved me the old him, and fear and insecurity were the ties that bound for a long time ... but no more.

I am ready to be the woman God intended for me to be ... strong, capable, independant, loving, passionate, honest, true ... I am ready to take risks, make mistakes and love life as an open book. I'm facing insecurity and fear where it dwells - within me ... I'm owning my truth and am grateful for each and every experience which has led me to this place.

This is basically what I want to say to H when we are at the MC next week ...

I am ready to move forward with my own life. I am ready to be open to what ever comes my way ... open to opportunities and experiences ... I am ready to live and love and laugh ...

I want to genuinely say thank you for the growth and learning opportunity that our situation provided me over the last six months. I am truly strong, compassionate and aware, for maybe the first time in my whole life. I only hope that as time goes on you are able to find yourself the way I have, it is honestly a beautiful place to be, but a hellish hard place to find. I have learned so much about myself, and continue to learn on a daily basis ... and will for the rest of my life. I finally love me. I have a much better sense of my wants and dreams, my insecurities and fears, my truths. I will always be grateful to you for instigating the process that tore down my walls and forced me inside myself.

I thank you for loving me enough to hang on the way you did because you were right ... I would not have been ready for this journey had it happened any earlier ...

I hope you do the work, not for me, but for you ... for the clarity, the peace, the power ... there is so much freedom in knowing oneself and slaying one's dragons and monsters ... it's not an easy process, but anything worth having is always going to take hard work. I hope you find happiness, true happiness - the kind that emmanates out of your own core and feeds only on self validation and self worth.

I made a lot of mistakes. So did you. I've forgiven us and I feel lighter. I will finish grieving what is gone and look back with only fond memories.

I am excited about my future and what is in store for me.


And the really cool part???? I mean it smile

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This all GREAT stuff for YOU.

My first take on it to write this down so you don't forget this moment.

I would NOT say this H.

That is if you still hold hope for any R.

There is a very strong tendency to tell spouse of your new found changes and revelations. (I know this too)

H is not in a place to understand or hear this.

If anything I think it will fuel resentment and there is already enough fuel for that fire provided by your M. Yes?

He is not ready to hear this from you.

These changes are for you.

If anything this means you just detach more and live your life like he isn't coming back. No need to inform him of this either.

Tell him you forgive him if and when he asks for it.

Unless you are truly done...

There is that old thing we say:

You can't talk yourself out of something you acted your way into.

Live your changes...for you.


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