thanks puppy. I did find some telephone recorders online that I may try. W's best friend Debbie, who introduced her to OM calls here ALL the time. Might be interesting to listen in on those conversations. I think I can hide the recorder behind the desk so W won't know it is there. I know the book says not to spy, but I can't help wanting to know what is going on. I hate Debbie. OM's wife know's who Debbie is and knows she introduced them. I told her. Debbie's H worked with OM for a number of years at SuperValu food distribution center. I know Debbie's H and was thinking about confronting the 2 of them about it, but that is probably a BAD idea. Working on a Journal to post and ask for some help.