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I mean you represent him being a man - independent, a equal in a relationship, accepted, able to relax, he could please you without the guilt trip. make sense?

no wonder i was so confused when he said i was "needy and clingy" and i needed to learn how to be more "independent".
i kept thinking "me? but you're the one who can't make a decision without calling them."

i thought i was doing the right thing.
i don't nag, i'm independent, i don't call him when i have a flat tire, i don't keep score, i don't spend his money, i don't ask him to buy me gifts, i don't ever ask him to buy me anything, but i pay for the bills in the house. isn't this what men want in a wife? i put in my share.

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Not good. Men think all the time, it's how we solve problems. That would be a put down from my perpsective. See how a comment like that makes him feel like the "emotional" lead? The see-saw analogy. He doesn't want to be responsible for more feelings.

ok. no, i don't get it.
i know that men think all the time. but how is that a put down? i wasn't about to say "awwww .. poor baby. you're not going to be alone for the rest of your life. you'll always have me." to me, that's pursuing and that was a no-no.

i tried to be comforting and i didn't give him the 'look'. who's feelings is he responsible for?

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The paradox - you become the WAS and he "gets it." You have a much better M. You become the WAS and he stays stuck - you keep walking to a better place for you. Not all in your control.

he's already walked away. is he expecting me to 'get it'? because i don't.
in my head, you want to walk away. go ahead. i won't stop you. you chose this route. i made it clear that i wanted to fight for us.

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It's very loving for you to become the WAS, let him think about what he is giving up and why. Let him deal with his issues and grow. Lovingly detach.

i think it was PDT who posted a thread in newcomers that i really liked.
i am fighting for us. i would hope that he would if the tables were turned.
i took my vows seriously.