thanks for your replies, goodfight I somehow think that they recycle right back to the beginning and their whole lives are just one massive cyle, beginning to end and back again, we will never know, as it really been 13 years for you that you have been separated, forgive me if I misunderstood. Forward I dont give it two weeks, it as been six weeks since he contacted me and six months since he contacted his aunt, he just seems to be wanting to be left alone with his wifey, oh dear oh dear. way too much fun approaching for me to worry about his sorry little life, bless him xxxxxxx p.s. wonder if he will remember this is the day he broke the news to me, mmmmm I wonder