lol thanks for your replies they mean the world to me, we are having a heatwave here in the uk, bbq times and laying around in the sun, we dont get much weather like this, but its also times like this that I miss the old ex, have to get my own gas bottle for the bbq and havent a darned clue where from, also he used to do the cooking on the bbq, deary me will have to sweat and do it myself, I suppose when I look back he did have some uses lol xxx