Ken- I know it's tough b/c you are thinking rationally...Allen is right, do not e-mail that to her, and do not watch Dr. Phil, or even discuss M issues or how to overcome them.

It sucks- this person is slipping out of your hands and life...BUT- life grasping sand, the harder you squeeze, the more you lose.

In the end it is her loss Ken, you are a good man. I am not trying to be negative...it's just that you (we) cannot make choices for our WS...we can set scenes subtly or create new and better memories, but it's their journey to make, just as LBS's journey is to just become better and better, and to not repeat past mistakes.

You can teach or persuade all you want- but to the WS YOU (WE) are the last person on earth they would EVER listen to.

I know it's tough...I'm there too, I, moments ago, let W know this is no longer month 1 (but rather month 9), that I am not interested in limiting myself, that I know what i want...

none of this will help my M- all it does is make her want off the phone...

My difference is, I am ready to file...I am being honest but not threatening...

Even still- as PUP or Robx or others would say...when you're to that point, you don't need to warn or caution...you just do.

Hang in there...my best advice- aside from don't do anything that I've done in my own sitch...is to look as your sitch as though it were happening to someone else...

BEST


DARK