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Okay, I do have a question about this. He's said it twice now, that I just don't seem to care that he's gone. Once was when I was trying to diffuse & said, "I understand why you would be upset." His response was, "that the point! You're not upset at all!"

And again yesterday, when I wasn't arguing with him (which did happen, briefly) or when I was validating some of the things he was saying, he got upset and would make comments about how he wasn't going to "fake being happy" or "pretend that everything is fine".


You confused him... changed the rules on him.. he expected one thing from you, and you changed it up..

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Does he want me to feel like crap? Does he think that seeing me crushed is going to make him feel better?


In my opinion, yes he does at first.. because then he feels justified in all that he is doing.. then the guilt sets in because deep down the feelings may still be there.. When they see you strong and happy that makes them doubt themselves.. and they don't want to go there.. because that means they have to look at themselves.. and they are doing everything they can not to have to...

Just my take on the above... FWIW


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I find that "I need statements" do not say there is something wrong with the other person.

It's what you need--what is there to argue about?

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Good morning Shel,

After yesterday's "Welcome Shel to the wonderful world of MLC party" , I hope you are having a better day.

There are some really great people here, and all of them (us) are dealing with this daily. ( or did at one time ).

Some of them have chosen to heal..

Others have chosen to remain the "victim" of all of this. Not taking a step forward for themselves.

You have been witness to some of that here already.

The sooner you get it, the sooner you can start to heal, and not remain in this daily rut that can consume oneself.

Every person is different, the same as every MLC is different. We each have similarities , yet not two of us are the same.

Navigating your way through MLC will take time, patience, and restraint. A lot of it.

It will also require balance. In life, and with yourself.

You WILL stumble, and you will fall.

It is how you choose to deal with these things that will make a difference.

Nothing you do right now will make a difference , yet everything you do right now will make a difference.

I tend to post from a philosophical side of MLC. I'm not big on the daily grumblings of your life.

I live by the addage of teach a man to fish, instead of giving a man a fish.

Each interaction with your spouse is just that......yours.

The way YOU CHOOSE to deal with that interaction is what you read and learn here.

You will need to "own" your interactions, or else they will scream fake.

An MLCer can smell fake from the LBS with an uncanny form.

There are gonna be things that are posted to you that will send shockwaves through your entire body....

What you will find is, that they are usually the ones that make the most difference in you.

Not sugar coated, and very real. But they will make YOU think, and think hard.

One usually doesn't get good answers from easy questions.

The best advice I can give you, is to read. I have lost myself for an entire weekend in the Archives here.

I will let the women post a list of people to read and follow.

Take some time reading, and understanding MLC. Ask questions, and post to others.

That is all part of finding that balance that you will need to find.

No offense yesterday....

I have developed a pretty thick skin.

Sometimes.....

It takes something like that to really open ones eyes.

MLC is different.

Most of the posts here are about self-growth, and healing.

Giving this to God and working on yourself.

Becoming the person YOU want to be.

To be honest ?

Most people who have "gotten" it, don't GAS about your marriage, they care about you, and your growth and healing.

Anything less than that is a ploy.

So ask questions, and really understand this monster called MLC...

And work on you...



It will serve you well....

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Originally Posted By: LauraOh
It's what you need--what is there to argue about?


The MLCer will take that statement and hear “I need…and you are not meeting those needs. You have failed. “

Then they will lash out, possibly pointing out your shortcomings, to show you how YOU failed as well.

They will come up with reasons that they were unable to meet your needs, and most of those excuses will somehow place the blame squarely on your shoulders.

What is said and what they hear in their head are going to be very different.

Additionally, stating you need anything from them, financially, emotionally, physically, makes them feel pressured…

When the MLCer feels pressure, they will lash out…

It is better with an MLCer, to not have this sort of conversation at all, until they have really begun to come out of the tunnel.

So, while it may seem like there is nothing to argue about, in their minds, there is…



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Originally Posted By: LauraOh
I find that "I need statements" do not say there is something wrong with the other person.

It's what you need--what is there to argue about?


I'm not really saying it's incorrect, all I'm saying is he is most likey NOT going to take it very well.

Some things are better left unsaid considering where the person's head is at the moment.


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Ok some of the names to look for in the archives…

Yellowrose
Snodderly
Jack3Beans
Imlin
Bworl


But I will be honest, I hate making this sort of list…

I read them all, OMG, each and every one…

Some, I learned nothing from, but most I learned something from…

There were a few threads last year that had some really great stuff on them…

AreYouKidding
TrustingFaith
Fallgirl


You will find posters there that you will recognize as many of them are still posting here for one reason or another…

TrustingFaith…follow her…she is amazing…and she has had a lot of amazing people post to her as well...

You will do well Shel…

Mach, do your own list next time… wink



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another take on your son not wanting to talk to his dad isn't that he is angry...just that he doesn't want to talk to him

be careful of putting your emotions onto your children

do you want to talk to people all the time
I don't
it has nothing to do with being angry
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everything to do with just doing something else or simply not being in the mood

ask a teenager how his day was and I bet you get a grunt
doesn't mean they are mad
just that their mind is occupied elsewhere

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I have yet to see any proof of a teenager having a mind to speak of. : )



Experience is a brutal teacher, but you learn. My God, do you learn. - C.S. Lewis

Life is usually all about how you handle Plan B. - Jack3Beans

Listen without defending; Speak without offending - FaithinAK

TRUST THE PROCESS - Cadet

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is that why we so often equate MLC with teenagers??? grin

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Shelbel

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I knit. And crochet. And read. Other than that, I don't remember.

Time to start remembering...dear...GAL'ing is going to be key for you.

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It's been so long since I've done anything for myself.

It is a good time to start. In this processing you really need to take care of yourself. Your mental well being is the most important thing right now.

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So...being strong without being a b!tch. That's a goal.

Interesting goal.

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I need to let go & just roll with the punches.

If you are control freak like I was, this is going to take some serious work but can be done. At some point just know that you will get to a point where you accept that the feeling of control you have is really not control at all.

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So my work order for me is

~Be strong without be abrasive.
~Not try to control things I have no control over, and have no business trying to control
~Not just not say mean things, but don't think them either. Give people the benefit of the doubt more.
~Stop becoming overly involved in someone else's problem.

Sorry if this is a stupid question....but why do you want to work on the above? Really why?

[quote]Speaking of emotions... [quote]
Oh yes…those damn emotions….they always get in the way don’t they. Just remember that emotions and feelings are temporary and can TEACH YOU a lot about yourself. For me, I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut (or as Mach would say..pour myself a large glass of STFU) and really examine WHY I feel a certain way. What thing “triggered” this feeling? Why did it “trigger” it? As Mach said in an earlier post…the answers and the solution to ALL of your questions is in YOU.

Shelbel – you sound a lot better today. Keep posting and keep reading. Keep your head up. On small piece of advice that I have would be to…be gentle on yourself. We often make mistakes in this process and then beat ourselves up for sometime days (in my case it felt like weeks) – you will make some mistakes…learn from them. As Mach posted, take time to absorb that advice that you are receiving. Remember…every case is different..every case.

Finally, regarding the kids...just be there for them. Try and keep them out of this as best you can. Be the best parent you can be and leave the rest to God.

God Bless,
Eric


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"Fear is a prison, where you are the jailer. FREE YOURSELF!"
"Life is usually all about how you handle Plan B." - Jack3Beans
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