Originally Posted By: Allen A
You need to weigh the db' coaches advice with that you will find in textbooks and from this forum... it isn't all going to be out of confict...

This is not an exact science unfortunately... I used a db coach myself and to this day I wish I had followed more of the advice on this forum much earlier... It in my opinion is better.. The db coach is limited to MWD's approach and with infidelity in particular I don't think its the best route... MWD is brilliant, but she doesn't specialize in infidelity.

With your case MWD may have more impact. But I don't agree with the "I just want you to be happy" mantra... Given her mental state I honestly don't think she's interpreting that in a way that is in your favour... You need to think really hard about how miserable and hopeless she's feeling and weigh what she will hear when you say stuff like that.

The db coach wants you to look favourable, and yes it may look warmer than a criticism but in my opinion it also sounds hopeless, supplicating, and ultimately sounds like surrender to divorce... It does NOT sound like you are pressing her with the understanding of what marriage is... and what it isnt.. Your wife is not well-educated re what a marriage is, you are learning this now... despite the ten years you have together, you two are newlyweds to what a real marriage is :

a. Your wife believes marriage is a disposable arrangement that you escape from when things get bad and you feel hopeless.

b. To my mind its a lifelong commitment that you escape TO when things get bad and you feel hopeless.

"I just want you to be happy" does not impart the second point in there at all... and I honeslty think its key point your wife needs to comprehend... not HEAR.. but comprehend.. it can take YEARS to understand those two points above... half of them never get it and just escape into yet another marriage later that has an even lower success rate - second marriages success rates are much lower than the first... why do you think that is...?

Its because they never figured it out the first time and they waste their lives chasing rainbows instead of building a home they can love and respect.

DBing will implicitly impart this point to its practitioners, but your wife is NOT trying.. she's still in escape mode. The best course in my opinion for you is to make the home as inviting as you can while doing what you can to impart the meaning of marriage by example... You can't lecture this into her, she needs to SEE it happen.

Right now you need to wear a suit of armor against her negative commentary. I realize she starts the relationship talks, but YOU need to finish them with a solid positive educated comment... You keep letting her lead them into a ditch and you both end up miserable... this just validates her position, rather than brings out the doubt more... you want her to DOUBT her leaving... You want her to second guess her escapism logic.

"I just want you to be happy" will NOT in my opinion bring that doubt to bear at all.

something like


Running away isn't going to make either of us feel better in the long term... no one enjoys a failed marriage on their conscience...


Put with warm with seriousness is going to hit home a lot more to my mind.

Its your choice what route you want to try, but here's your matra for both :

something like

a. I just want you to be happy

b. Running away isn't going to make either of us feel better in the long term... no one enjoys a failed marriage on their conscience...

Again you can tweak b, it can be worded more concisely with more time to think on it.

I have read approach a tried here with that exact line ... And it didn't make an impact ... Wayward spouses think happiness is something you escape to when things are bad, rather than something you build through a dedication to painful (in some cases) emotional growth... telling her to find happiness rather than to earn it at home is tantamount to asking her to run away.

To me, "I just want you to be happy" sounds like validation of escape, rather than a gentle reproach to how useless escape really is...



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