well just an update folks, I am well and truly done with ex, I have come to the conclusion he as chose the other life well over any he had with us, let him have it let him be, I can never see us reconciling or indeed having a friendship, much as I have tried to be friendly with him since son and him started talking some ten months ago I have realised it is hard to be friends with someone who just doesnt want to know, oh yes he wants to know when it is for his benefit but anything else he is still way out to lunch and such an [censored]. what brought me to this decision is the following:- after the shannanigins of not inviting son for tea on tuesday because he wouldnt go for tea last sunday and have wifey at his match, ex didnt call son to arrange picking up for training tuesday, so son rang dad, dad picked son up and son came home and said that dad had been strange tonight, I asked why and he said he "was alright, basically like the dad he used to know", then some twenty minutes later dad called son and it changed, dad was telling son that wifey would have to come pick him up for his match on wednesday evening as he was working and that would mean him getting there late, although as I have said son as started to work out for himself when dad is trying to trick him, so he responded to just leave the arrangements as they were and he didnt mind getting there ten minutes or so late, ( son also picked up this is why he was being alright with him, and why couldnt he of said this to his face about her picking him up, son also picked up on the fact that if she picked him up then she would go to this match instead of the one son blocked on sunday ) honestly ex and wifey are like two spoilt brats that dont give in until they have gotten their own way, good job son is seeing them for what they are and what they are up to