DOWN BOY DOWN BOY...........Slow down.....Do you talk this fast as well? I feel like you're rambling (and that's okay) as long as you can control it.(heh heh)

I was wondering if you might consider a trade off w/W so that you can each have some R&R on different days yet not give up the work that you have both done so much to achieve. What do you think about alternating days to get up w/boys? You can sleep in one day and take your long shower, she can remain in her room one day and destress and then on the weekends you can share the job. Would that possible work????

Maybe that could have some positive effects on your R w/boys and release them from Mom's grips too. Just a thought....

SO, here's your ROCK.....lean on buddy.....I think that you may be putting too much on the intimacy. It will come in time, right? Can you find something different to do instead of s## after a massage? I mean to make it more pleasurable but not lead to the REAL thing.

In one of my many books, I saw somewhere that said to do a 3 week process in order to broaden senses. First week, massage body except breasts and private areas of either and then walk away afterwards. NOTHING ELSE!! Second week, massage body parts and breasts and privates but nothing else. WALK AWAY!! Third week massage all over and hopefully lead to the wonderful world of S##.

I don't know if it will work but something to consider. Maybe it would give both of you some release from tension.

Obviously I'm not expert here but just my input. Take care. Talk to your C. Talk to your W. Talk to us. Breathe - (I thought we put that 2x4 away but I'm sure we can dig it out if we need to) Tootles.............

Karen