Heya Mike,
Sorry to hear you're having a struggle figuring out what step to take next. That must be very frustrating. Hang in there friend; be sure to keep reaching out to the kids. It must be tough to keep trying with them when they don't seem very responsive - I see their in their late teens/young adults... I'm guessing kids that age naturally are that way? (Sorry, dogs no kids around here!). But, on the flip side, what do you have to lose by continuing to try with them?

If I flip the sitch around, and remember when I was growing more and more distant with my H, during the times he'd give up and try even less, the distance got even worse. Yes, I likely ignored him and slighted him when he did try the odd time, but I think somehow, somewhere the fact that he WAS trying was registering somewhere in my subconscious. Even when it was awkward and didn't turn out quite right. And the fact that I could see him trying sometimes, helped me get my but into therapy to try and rescue the R.

So don't give up on them! They may ACT like they don't care, but I just don't believe they really FEEL that. Honest Mike, in their hearts they need your love and guidance. You sound like a genuine guy; don't give up on them - as they grow into adults they'll learn a lot from your perseverance in striving to reach through that shell around you and build a connection with them. So don't give up!! I really believe they love you and want a R with you; they just don't quite know how to get there yet. Keep trying!

(PS - And 'Hoppy Easter' to you!) smile Okay bad silly pun. But I had to amuse myself a little... working today! Take care.

I cannot complain for not receiving from others, that which I've never asked them for.