Thanks rr22 and seeking answers This sure is a rolercoaster from hell, I can tell you. I like many others have been though so much, but I have managed to get the detaching down to a 'fine art'. It is only when things change I start to wonder if this maybe the end. I have definitely noticed a chane over the past week. H has never mentioned the hurt he has caused his kids before. Our D has not spoken to H since he left in June. He has spoken to me by text at how this is 'killing him'. I guess we can just sit back and watch and wait. Thanks again