Thankyou seeking answers for your reply I have taken the fact that he is recently saying that he is hurting as a small step forward. Also when he said to our son(12) I know I have hurt you I am sorry. I also took that as a small step. He has not talked about his feelings before. I have been on this ride for a long time, and I know that however much patience I have, it is going to take a heck of a lot more. Me and the kids have come along way from the crying mess he left behind without a care. We have all had councelling and are closer than we have ever been. We are a strong family unit who are there for each other. No matter what we know we are going to be ok. I am hoping you are right SA and that maybe the consequence of NC with his D maybe the thing that 'wakes him up'. I still imagine life with OW to be a 'bed of roses'. Even though I have read that this is never the case. I still cannot imagine what OW(19/20) is seeing in H(47).