Again, nice posts and info. Jack, about your reply about not caring about what others think, I was only pointing out that to be a martyr in a hopeless marriage was silly, and I wasn't trying to be black and white, however, I do believe that most situations here are pretty cut and dry. Jack, I know you and I disagree on that point, so we will agree to disagree. Lissie, I feel honored to have a reply from you! I don't see you on here much anymore! You have some excellent points! I do want to add this; I have spoken to some people who have stood and did get their spouse back, and they feel bad about themselves for putting up with the things they tolerated. I have to think that long term standing and rejection would have to work on someone mentally. I do agree with those who say that in standing, the LBS must focus on themselves and move forward improving themselves, sadly, many on here really don't do that and focus much of their time wondering about the WAS, MLCer, etc.
